If i ever meet them i will kick theirs asses for you !!!
NO MORE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND ANYONE !

Hi,
There are truths and half truths in this article. But most of it is lies. The relation went sour and you left with a whole lot of drama and threads. And now this is what we get a campaign of internet hate.

Ask around ghent and you will get the other side of the story.

When you have a grudge against someone or when you hate someone, if you introspect, you’ll find that the whole experience is burning your heart ; it’s burning your consciousness ; it’s painful, it’s contaminating. But as soon as you are able to forgive, you are liberated from that. Forgiveness is actually a beautiful, holistic experience for the heart.(Radhanath)

When I got to know Christina K. her ’fight’ was against the singer of this band I who had taken advantage of her...and, as far as she was concerned the rest of the band wasn’t much better, telling sexist jokes ; cheating on their wife while being on tour etc etc. And yes, I, and others with me have also believed those words. Back then it was that band who didn’t live up to the values they were singing about etc etc...something C. felt obliged to tell the world about.

So. For weeks I have seen this article popping up everywhere without having felt the need or desire to react to it, because I, and the people around me, the people that used to live in this house etc. knew where this was coming from and well, we just did not even find it worthy to react to what is obviousely another desperate cry for attention.

That is, untill Christina found it to be necessary to attack a bunch of people who have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this at all. This ’article’ is about two people in general. The band that was targeted this week, the band that was warned about has exactly ONE person as a member. Myself I have nothing more to do with that band except thay they are my friends.

Now, what I see in this is indeed nothing but a cry for attention. I, nor the guys of the band she spread rumors about before are responsible for the pain and anger felt by this author of this article long before we ever met her.

So. Are these women rights then ? The right to break down every guy (and along with him all of his friends) because they could not live up to expectations that were created by the girl involved for herself ?

This is NOT a defence. This is hate propaganda which does nothing else but false accuse a whole group of people. Like I said, I’ve seen her do the same thing with the guys of that band in 2011 and sadly enough, I believed those words then. For too long I did not doubt her words, untill, I finally got to talk with the people of that band again, which gave me the proverbial other side of the coin.

And, when it comes to what is being writting in this article : well, there are many other sides to each point made in it which are not being mentioned at all.

Let me put it this way : this article was posted under the name ’cassiopeia’. To me, that says more than enough.

You know : these kind of issues is what you get when idealism is being used the wrong way ; when the balance is lost again. I find it a real shame that this is being regarded as another case of the women being mistreated. And, where the woman is believed instantely without having heard the other side of the story. You know, even the riot grrls who started the whole riot grrl movement have since then become a lot less radical because many have seen and realized the world isn’t as black and white as they used to think.

I’m very sorry, but this is not the way to find concilation and i’m afraid that Radhanath is right even though it may not be realized : anger is indeed a pollution for the mind and soul.

And in the end I also feel sorry for the woman who wrote this. I don’t hate her, I’m not angry...I really just feel sorry, because I know all too well that after this, there’ll just be another guilty party to point fingers at. This anger is coming from inside of her and it was there long before I or the singer or the band got into her life, and, dealing with that anger in this kind of way can unfortunately not bring any peace of mind at all. I will end this by quoting another very wise man : ’an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind’.

We are a group of activists from Celle (northern germany) and take the article
over the A.C : Den Ezelhoek and the raised accusations against Andi O. very seriously.

At the one hand, because we know the author personally and we consider her very
well trustworthy.
But also because one cannot dismiss an accusation like that by portraying the affected
woman as “hysterical shrew“ or pissed off ex (that’s how Andi O.’s
counterstatement sounds to us).

Again and again women who fight against oppression of men are defamed in that way.
Too many female friends of us have suffered violence by men and weren’t listened
to, it happened too often in our scene, too many carry those scars for the rest
of their lifes !

As ProFeminists we also think that the burden of proof does _not_ lie with the
affected person.
To us the demand for proof is not only absurd but rude.

Some of the critics about the lifestyle of the people in the A.C. mentioned in
the article are debatable to us.
We all act upon different maxims and we find it hard to judge from the outside
what others define as their possible form of living.

But in no way are we willing to debate about dealing with homophob, sexist or
misogynous persons.
Solidarity has to be withdrawn from these people !
Others have to be protected from these people !
Structures and their protectors must be attacked !

In the counterstatement of Andi O. are no comments about the accusations against
him at all.
He only tries to paint a pictue of Momo as a dogmatic ideologist, the world
and all men hating (basically) evil woman.
To proof his point he writes : she supposedly tried this with some Band before.
We do not believe this picture, quite the contrary !

We follow her article since its puplication two months ago and meanwhile we can
find it on pages from germany up to canada.
But we can not understand why there has been no reaction/ no taking position
from groups or projects in belgium at all.
Antisexism is part of our daily political work and definitely no private problem.
Momos article was surely not published to give Andi O. another chance to throw mud
at her, but to point out this problem and especially this case in our scene.

We demand that projects and people in the surrounding of the A.C. Den Ezelhoek
comment this case and take position !
(especially in the region Gent because of the post on indymedia Bruxsel : …„Ask
around ghent and you will get the other side of the story.“)

Sdg. A group of activists from Celle

*sigh !

1) "We follow her article since its puplication two months ago and meanwhile we can
find it on pages from germany up to canada."

Well : nowadays, every monkey that knows how to type can write whatever and post it on independent media sites from Zermany to Canad but don’t forget that it’s still just Momo herself that is posting what she considers to be her truth, so all in all, there’s nothing in this claim which would give extra value to the sentiments expressed by Momo.

2) "But we can not understand why there has been no reaction"

Well : there was a reaction posted on the Antwerp Indymedia site by a person that was living in the house during the period described by Momo. Funny fact : precisely on that page the ’article’ got deleted ! Plus ! A. and *** have received various messages in the form of apologies. Not all the persons that had this message posted on their facebook pages have been happy about this, as many of them didn’t even know De Ezelhoek or A nor ***, for that matter.

3) "Some of the critics about the lifestyle of the people in the A.C. mentioned in
the article are debatable to us.
We all act upon different maxims and we find it hard to judge from the outside
what others define as their possible form of living.
But in no way are we willing to debate about dealing with homophob, sexist or
misogynous persons."

Well : the contradiction in this statement is, once again, painfuly obvious !

So. One persons accuses the other of being ’sexist’, or ’homophobic’ and no more debate is possible ? Okay. Now that’s how all the witches got burned. No debate. Someone else points the finger, and well, we’ll see if the truth floats !

4)"To proof his point he writes : she supposedly tried this with some Band before.
We do not believe this picture, quite the contrary" !

Well. Luckily we live in the digital age, where words and statements don’t just dissapear of the web, and the writings between momo and A. dating from before the period when they got together clearly show that momo has indeed made the statements described by A.

5) He only tries to paint a pictue of Momo as a dogmatic ideologist

Well. Not exactly. What A. was trying to point out is the fact that Momo was experiencing ’personal issues’ long before she ever met him. Momo has had psychiatric care before A. was present in her life and when she was in Belgium that was clear for everyone to see on her arms. (No. We are NOT blind !) And, I am in no way judging or condemning her for this, but, it does illustrate the fact that she has a history of psychological problems. The problem with Momo’s words is that every claim she has made was a violent verbal attack, and in everything that she has written down she presents herself as being the complete victim in this whole story, and that just isn’t accurate at all. Every intelligent investigator will right away confirm that there’s always TWO sides to every story, and personaly, I have never seen a coin in my entire life, which only had one side. ( If you do ever see such a coin. Well, I hope you weren’t using it for ’heads or tail’ then, cause you’d have been cheated. Heavily)

6) "We demand that projects and people in the surrounding of the A.C. Den Ezelhoek
comment this case and take position"

Well. This we can now clearly see as an instigation (which also will be taken seriousely now) and, seeing how this statement is being made without having checked how the present situation is in the house, that does make it to be something which now can not be ignored anymore. Fact is : Momo has left Belgium before the summer of 2012. We are September 2013 now. Should I point out the obvious fact that absolutely nothing in that house is still as it was a year ago ? Quite a few persons have come and gone in that time and at the present moment there’s exactly one person living there who was also a ’resident’ during that period, so as has been pointed out already : when it comes to journalistic value, then this writing could be considered as very poorly investigated.

And if Momo considers the answers given by A. or S. to be nothing more than ’throwing mud’ then that clearly shows, as has been the case from the start of this whole hate campaign, that Momo isn’t interested in any form of debate whatsoever. Personaly, I can find nothing substantial in any of the posts I have seen so far regarding this whole situation.

I, and many others have also been following the puBlication since it was first posted and we have seen how it has been posted on pages where it was absolutely not relevant. In fact, Momo has even adressed persons who 1) had nothing to do with this whole situation and 2) whom she doesn’t even know !!

In the end, this is might be an issue which needs to be discussed but as far as I can tell, the persons that need to be discussing this are the persons that have been involved, first of all, Momo and A.

And now, as a final endnote : during the last year, the persons who had initiated the AC project (which meant Anarchist Center) all came to the same conclusion, with the result being that there is no such thing anymore as AC den Ezelhoek. Again, just a bit of communication with any of the about six persons living here back then, and this would have been confirmed right away. So, what is there to be found there at this moment. ’A house’. Now, from what I have read so far that should actually be a valid and good reason for feelings of joy for Momo. Then again, Don Quichote comes to mind : ighting against enemies that had been created in his own mind. I see a resemblance in this whole issue where Momo seems to have made the AC her very own windmill.

And the reason why A. has not done more effort in refuting the accusations made by Momo should in fact be very clear to her, but, since this doesn’t seem to be the case I will instead drop two small hints : Matthew 18.22, and Mark 15.5. Jesus Freaks should certainly know what I mean by this. "if we remain silent and trust God, if we are reviled and don’t revile in return, if when suffering we don’t utter threats, then by our wounds, others will be healed. Don’t prepare a defense : make prayer your defense !"

And these, are my two cents on the matter : given for free.

D.E.A.

Ohkay...Christina wants a reaction from me...then, here it is :

Let me start off by saying that i would think this is not PRO-FEMINIST at all...this clearly smells like feminazism. Oh right, the very same reason why Curd Cobain did not wanna have anything to do anymore with the riot grrl scene.
Eye think that Christina that rides the chariot forget that I have spent six months with her. Six months that made it very clear that she does not even know the first thing about feminism or riot grrls.
Next..she will have scars for the rest of her life ? Ofcourse !!! When someone compulsivly cuts deep wounds into her arms and legs, it will most probably result in scars that will remain there a lifetime. But, to speak about scars. What about mine. Having been lied to for about eleven months also leaves scars. Is that something she choses to ignore ??
Ohkay. Proof ? To demand proof is absurd ? Ohkay. Then eye will publish proof myself if this keeps going on : proof in the form of Christina saying the same things about the guys in that band. Proof in the form of endless talks we had for months in a row where she claims to be so in love with the singer of the band, despite the fact that she had been abused by him.
Another thing i do not see mentioned anywhere is my stuff that i never got back despite the many promised that she would never do such a thing as keeping my stuff ; not to mention the money that doesn’t get mentioned anywhere. Christina did not have to pay for just about anything during our six months together. Shopping everyday while I was living in Germany, the months of traveling...8000euro !!!!!...of which she claimed she would give half back. A half that i still have not received so far. And...then there’s the rest of my stuff she was gonna send back...

*a guitar
*a brand new skateboard
*a complete skate with wheels and trucks
*my RARE cd’s of the band of which she claimed the members were sexist jerks.
shoes, sweaters, a RARE dvd etc etc...all stuff I never saw again.

So if Christina wants to discuss this face to face she is more than welcome to come to Belgium as she can bring all those things then OR eye am very willing to come to Germany myself. i can taker time off from November on and I don’t mind coming to Erlangen to get back what was mine.
Seriousely. i am starting to be a little fed up with this bullshit. This is the side of one person, and as far as eye am concerned, that persons is dealing with some serious psychological problems. So dear activists from Celle : you can tell Christina that rides the chariot that i, and with me a bunch of other people, are getting really fed up with this. You Profeminists may not fully realize this, but what Momo is, and has been doing, is pretty darn sexist as well if you’d ask me.
And as far as being an anarchist goes...man oh man oh man. i have to hear this crap from someone who has never invested one minute in STUDYING anarchist writings...?!
But, i will admit : i am not an anarchist. i am not a christian. i am not a jesus freak. i do not need those labels to define myself, and i certainly do not feel the need to put everyone that i see in some stereotype box. and, i will never ever put fake dreads in my hair just to feel better about myself.
and this is the very last time i will react to this shit. i still do not have a clue as to what christina is hoping to get by all this but i am pretty sure that it will again be bitter dissapointment. i have to say...i had hoped that she had used the past year to find some balance in herself, but as i can now see, this has not been the case...and that is something that i consider to be sad.

ANDI.

The last two comment@tors are both talking a lot about "momo" and her personality. It seems like a try to describe her as an unthrustworthy borderline girl who wants to be important.

But not D.E.A or neither Andi are saying that it is not the truth what Momo described what happened to her.
In one text i read from this andi guy there was kind of a pseudo-religious (or buddhistic) talking about forgivness and hatred and in this one its all about stuff, money and antifeminism.
But there is not one word about the thread, not a quantum of the try of a reflection.

This is a political issue !
Its not about a poor andi-guy being attacked by a fury. Is about the question how to handle with inner-relationship violance exspecially in an emancipatory, progressive, anarchistic,... in a political way.

This leads to the fact, that there is no way around a positioning from the ac or not ac or whatever. if they define themselves as political in anyway or have the ambitions to move in political contextes, they have to take position.

question for the celle activists : is there any relation with the bunteshaus ?

Bunteshaus ?
Why the question ?

Hi,

Nobody is interested, please go waste somebody else’s web space.

Bye

The question about the bunteshaus is being asked because online an article can be found written by a certain Christina K. concerning sexism.

And then on a Jesusfreaks site another writing can be found by Momo regarding, sexism. So, including the AC Den Ezelhoek claim that would be three online articles concerning sexism. Is this about right ?